Greg Detre
@11 on 29 Jan 2001
Dr Rosen, post-Kantian III
Dionysus as judge
if you think there is more to it then
meta-criterion to evaluate values
in the GM, he knows what he sick + unhealthy
health as intellectual integrity
are most moral believers sincere
admiration for strength exercises creatively
e.g. Cesare orgia, opportunistic thing and (conventionally) immoral
seems like an adolescent view of immorality
vs Pascal � strength turned against oneself
Plato is both deceived and self-deceived, lacks Socratic playfulness
Nietzsche on Socrates: don't use a moralistic lens � Socrates is strong yet opp
Nietzsche is happy to have enemies (whom he respects)
Socratism: inevitable
Kant: Nietzsche agrees that the world is mediated by concepts
but opposes the transcendent
does access to Dionysian through tragedy count as experience???
only in the very broad sense
we have access to underlying, but not really experience (sensations mediated by concepts)
even without access, good reasons to believe in underlying WTP
phenomenalist: all there is is what�s given to us in experience
theoretical claims just help us organise
Locke is not a phenomenalist, he�s an ontological realist
Kant attempts to derive objective view of morality
transcendent idealist = empirical realist
Nietzsche denies that because disallows perspectivism
Kant ethics: single objective ethical principle
1. act morally = act motivated by moral will
Nietzsche denies both
denies Kantian ethical pure will
pure will = disguised account of empirical + motivated willing
e.g. charity workers
Nietzsche maybe accepts (1), but denies that there is such a will
all �moral� actions are cases of �I desire� (Williams)
Nietzsche as realist??? realism = objective
no. values aren't discovered, not applicable universally
certain values aren't available to certain people � though that�s deplorable
people should have courage of their convictions
WTP in revaluation of vals???
healthy ≠ long life
but optimum existence������ short bright effervescence, vent its strength
life as aesthetic phenomenon
values as ethical???
y, in some sense
ethical vs moral � Gk root???
he is attaching certain common/universal features of morality as such
e.g. obligation making claim irrespective of interests, motivation (by moral will)
Nietzsche�s ethics are not impartial � which moral values usually are
what is meant by �value�? � purely subve, like taste
does it make some claim beyond what it means to me now
objectivity vs emotivist subjectivity? neither
his values are > mere subjective preferences
challenges the received objective/subjective distinction of values
Williams � EatLoP � need to look at ethics broader than morality
the force of the ethical �ought�
is Nietzsche a phenomenalist???
WTP as value realism??
translation???
Kaufmann � he�s ok, Nietzsche is not that untranslatable
his footnotes are more tendentious
Penguin fine
Stanford collective � too politically correct
Heller???
literary > philosophical
God � nihilism � >God
everything which does not kill me makes me stronger - Nietzsche maxim???
y, probably is � strength = prime virtue (virility???)
comes from struggle � rhetoric of heroism, including intellectual + himself
ascetic withdrawal as opposite, cowardly to face dangers